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	<title>Comments on: Healthcare systems not as machines but living organisms.</title>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
		<link>http://john-norris.net/2008/07/28/healthcare-systems-not-as-machines-but-living-organisms/comment-page-1/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been years since I&#039;ve read the book, but it would be interesting to revisit it at some point.

Regarding your comment on &quot;Putting together CAS principles so that they take advantage of CAS may be the feat&quot;... yes, I agree. There is an interesting program called &quot;The Game of Life&quot;, in which some simple rules give rise to varied behavior (&#039;adaptive&#039;) over time.

I use that game/computer simulateion as a metaphor for finding the &quot;right rules&quot;. The book &quot;Crossing the Quality Chasm&quot; ended up with 10 rules, which is too many. There really should be just two rules, I think: one looking out at the society of which &#039;healthcare&#039; finds itself a part, and the second an inward &#039;maintaining homeostasis&#039; kind of rule. One to maintain balance and coherence. All other rules should ideally be subsumed under a &quot;rule tree&quot;, and support the &quot;Great Commandments&quot;. At least that is my current thinking.

Anyway, the trick is to have simple rules, not complex ones, AND to have the &#039;right&#039; simple rules.

To see the &quot;Game of Life&quot; simulation, see here

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been years since I&#8217;ve read the book, but it would be interesting to revisit it at some point.</p>
<p>Regarding your comment on &#8220;Putting together CAS principles so that they take advantage of CAS may be the feat&#8221;&#8230; yes, I agree. There is an interesting program called &#8220;The Game of Life&#8221;, in which some simple rules give rise to varied behavior (&#8216;adaptive&#8217;) over time.</p>
<p>I use that game/computer simulateion as a metaphor for finding the &#8220;right rules&#8221;. The book &#8220;Crossing the Quality Chasm&#8221; ended up with 10 rules, which is too many. There really should be just two rules, I think: one looking out at the society of which &#8216;healthcare&#8217; finds itself a part, and the second an inward &#8216;maintaining homeostasis&#8217; kind of rule. One to maintain balance and coherence. All other rules should ideally be subsumed under a &#8220;rule tree&#8221;, and support the &#8220;Great Commandments&#8221;. At least that is my current thinking.</p>
<p>Anyway, the trick is to have simple rules, not complex ones, AND to have the &#8216;right&#8217; simple rules.</p>
<p>To see the &#8220;Game of Life&#8221; simulation, see here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/</a></p>
<p>for example/</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for dropping this note and link back to your site.  I&#039;m just starting on all of this. Looks like a lot of great content, and I&#039;ll need to follow up.  Fascinating subject. 

As you know, “Crossing the Quality Chasm” was/is a major text in medical informatics. Putting together CAS principles so that they take advantage of CAS my be the feat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for dropping this note and link back to your site.  I&#8217;m just starting on all of this. Looks like a lot of great content, and I&#8217;ll need to follow up.  Fascinating subject. </p>
<p>As you know, “Crossing the Quality Chasm” was/is a major text in medical informatics. Putting together CAS principles so that they take advantage of CAS my be the feat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
		<link>http://john-norris.net/2008/07/28/healthcare-systems-not-as-machines-but-living-organisms/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in an OR in a large city hospital; in 2005 I was introduced to the CAS paradigm by a book called &quot;Crossing the Quality Chasm&quot; by the Institutes of Medicine. It had an appendix by Paul Plsek, who is a consultant to the industry, on CAS.

I found the subject so fruitful that after some reading I started my own website, www.adaptingsystems.com which I would invite anyone to visit. It has some applications of CAS that I am trying to develop and present.

Ironically, the book &quot;Crossing the Quality Chasm&quot;, which was trying to address healthcare quality issues (especially medical error) didn&#039;t really apply the &#039;principles of CAS&#039;, in my view. They ended up with a complicated and expensive &#039;solution&#039;, which was ignored. Surprise, surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in an OR in a large city hospital; in 2005 I was introduced to the CAS paradigm by a book called &#8220;Crossing the Quality Chasm&#8221; by the Institutes of Medicine. It had an appendix by Paul Plsek, who is a consultant to the industry, on CAS.</p>
<p>I found the subject so fruitful that after some reading I started my own website, <a href="http://www.adaptingsystems.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adaptingsystems.com</a> which I would invite anyone to visit. It has some applications of CAS that I am trying to develop and present.</p>
<p>Ironically, the book &#8220;Crossing the Quality Chasm&#8221;, which was trying to address healthcare quality issues (especially medical error) didn&#8217;t really apply the &#8216;principles of CAS&#8217;, in my view. They ended up with a complicated and expensive &#8216;solution&#8217;, which was ignored. Surprise, surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ricardo,

Sounds like a great topic!

I searched around and do not have a pdf of that paper. (I may have had access to it when I was a student via the medical library.)  Unfortunately, I am no able to find it on the Academy Health site, although maybe it is there somewhere.

Best of luck with your studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ricardo,</p>
<p>Sounds like a great topic!</p>
<p>I searched around and do not have a pdf of that paper. (I may have had access to it when I was a student via the medical library.)  Unfortunately, I am no able to find it on the Academy Health site, although maybe it is there somewhere.</p>
<p>Best of luck with your studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo Garcia</title>
		<link>http://john-norris.net/2008/07/28/healthcare-systems-not-as-machines-but-living-organisms/comment-page-1/#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello John.

I am a masters student in  Lisbon - Portugal, and im interested in evidence of Vertical Integrated care as Complex Adaptive Systems.

I can´t get acces to this pdf:
Complex Adaptive System Behavior and Healthcare Expenditures: Evidence and Implications.

Is it possible that you send it to me?
Congratulations about your site.

Ricardo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John.</p>
<p>I am a masters student in  Lisbon &#8211; Portugal, and im interested in evidence of Vertical Integrated care as Complex Adaptive Systems.</p>
<p>I can´t get acces to this pdf:<br />
Complex Adaptive System Behavior and Healthcare Expenditures: Evidence and Implications.</p>
<p>Is it possible that you send it to me?<br />
Congratulations about your site.</p>
<p>Ricardo</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks Elena.  It&#039;s been years since I&#039;ve read Foucault...basically excerpts from &quot;Discipline and Punishment&quot; as well as parts of &quot;The History of Sexuality&quot;.  I&#039;ll need to revisit that one!

(BA Philosophy UCSC)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Elena.  It&#8217;s been years since I&#8217;ve read Foucault&#8230;basically excerpts from &#8220;Discipline and Punishment&#8221; as well as parts of &#8220;The History of Sexuality&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll need to revisit that one!</p>
<p>(BA Philosophy UCSC)</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://john-norris.net/2008/07/28/healthcare-systems-not-as-machines-but-living-organisms/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest to read &quot;Discipline and Punish&quot; Michele Foucault</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest to read &#8220;Discipline and Punish&#8221; Michele Foucault</p>
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